Data Coordination. The Harvest and James MacDonald Controversy Explained, Did Pharaoh Have Free Will? Her first year at college and her first visit to Harvest RM. As a former Muslim, I grew in my walk with GOD because Pastor James teachings from the GODs Word. You are absolutely right about the fear! She is sharing her heart and personal experience in an open, vulnerable way, in kindness and love. While I am personally removed from the situation, my brother and sister-in-law attend a Harvest Church and there has been a lot of pain through all of this. I pray that moving forward, His love will control me no matter the consequences. We attended Elgin from 2005 through 2008. Its hard to step out alone but God always protects and brings darkness into the light to be seen. Praying for you, many blessings for all you do. How long will we wait to begin the healing process within ourselves and between each other? Whatever is wrong in Gods eyes He will bring someone to reveal it. God has this situation in his hands he wasnt surprised by it. Like you, Lina, Ive listened to people wounded by sin, power grabs and wrongdoing by Church leaders. I also dont know why it took me five years to leave, but now Ive been at a true Bible preaching, Jesus exulting church, not too far from the RM campus. It is important to bring light to this matter, help yourself and others heal and put a new song of praise and trust in Our God. He better thank God for Grace and cause he is going to need it. Instead, they have chosen to remain on the elder board and continue with the deep-seeded corruption and fraud that has plagued Harvest Bible Chapel for many years. I wondered if you had become a full time missionary and if that was why you quit writing. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . Your child will experience the life-changing power of Jesus and His Word through worship and story, and age-appropriate learning tools. Five years ago, Harvest Bible Chapel, a Chicago-area megachurch with multiple campuses and an average weekly attendance exceeding 12,000, sent shock waves through the Christian community when it publicly excommunicated two former elders and indirectly censured a third. If the church treated Lina this way, they will do it to you and others without a second thought. Lina I couldnt agree more with everything you said and your comment here. I would recommend A book Joy Starts Here and The Pandora Problem Facing Narcissism in Leaders & Ourselves as helpful to possibly understand how whats happened can be explained and perhaps bring healing and prevention as members move forward. The culture of fear, intimidation, and secrecy has poisoned not just Rolling Meadows and its campuses, but also trickled down through the fellowship. (images of wife beating and mental control come to mind) Check out Moreno website, http://www.godsonlygospel.com. Id encourage you to read the prophets again, and ask, what upsets the heart of God? And then maybe its time to ask whether those things should upset you as well. While many in the congregation were willing to give it a second chance, some members raised concerns about many of these individuals closeness to MacDonald, and their willingness to cover for him for so long. Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand., And even JMac was right when he quoted 1 Corinthians 16:13: Lina Abujamra who once was the Womens Ministry Director at Rolling Meadows explained how she ran afoul of the elders and why she left in the course of time. Did you realize elders and pastors are personally apologizing g to people? Id like to think its the fear of man spoken about in the Bible but I think it often goes beyond that. A former youth pastor for Harvest Bible Chapel in Aurora has been charged with the sexual exploitation of a 16-year-old boy on allegations he sought nude pictures of the boy and repeatedly. (It wouldve done no good to tell them how they erred when previous months didnt get it done.) That, apparently, was what it took to get him fired. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. We are the Church! The womans bible study lead by two women who referenced Pastor James constantly are still in charge. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. Whats also sad is that old witness accounts go to show how truly far reaching and how long this behavior has been going on. This young lady has done the work and is doing the work of the great physician. Im thankful you followed the Lords leading in these stressful and difficult circumstances. Secrest, who founded the church in 2016 and affiliated with Harvest last September, said he didnt know at the time about the ongoing concerns raised about MacDonalds leadership and the churchs financial status, which led to Harvests lawsuit last year. He kept going back to you disobeyed the pastor so youre wrong (me in this case for talking to the youth and his mom about it after it happened). Politics and religion have a great affect on society, and both must be monitored to protect the people. perfect response and reminiscent of what scripture teaches. You have every right to speak up; and I respect you for doing so. Not one. I have 3 small groups now that are like this but we lack music. Implying that the information on TED was lies. They are not calmly declining either. I am so inspired to see you today. Its so fitting that you likened the pain at Harvest to the pain of a divorce. Im very certain you do not understand narcissists and how manipulative they are I recommend Dr. Ramani on YouTube as she is a great resource to gain understanding but the only chance to fight their evil is to bring it out into the light, expose them for what they truly are. The question is with independent churches who did they answer to? We confronted him basically because of the way he had attacked a youth at the time and his mother for bringing up how the pastor was making this youth to feel. Lina, given your vast experience, It is ironic that the experience at Harvest should be seen as a culture of fear. This all happens when we gather, grow and go together as followers of Jesus. Not everyone is so blessed, and for those of you who have left HBC and have had to find a new local church, there are healthy ones out there. Roys article details three examples of actions that former Harvest employees say reveal MacDonalds hot-tempered, vengeful personality. www. I have or attend 3 or more small groups a week now and feel alive. I didnt want to be rebellious against authority. The pastor of that church,John Secrest, said he would be uncomfortable with MacDonald preaching at his church and asked Harvest to sever their affiliation. One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. Christ alone is to be worshipped. This scandal that were going through has really rocked my world. I have multiple thoughts. Even before the 58-year-old pastors sabbatical, MacDonalds role at Harvest had shifted. May Our Lord guide all of us and May His will be done above all else. Gosh, so many similarities with the HBC action. Can you please contact me from the Contact button on my web page here? Plus Lina Abujamra on Why She Left Harvest Bible Chapel | Wondering Eagle, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN1 WP, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall Urban Christian News, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN2, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall | BCNN1 Black Christian News Network, From Mars Hill to Harvest: Hope for a Wounded Church Bible Talk. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. Thank you Lina for your honesty and boldness and ultimately helping me put words to what I have been experiencing through the preaching of James. Thank you for opening up your home so that hurting people could come together and share. Thank you again, Thank you for your honest post. Harvest Bible Church is a non-denominational, non-charismatic, evangelical Protestant church located in Northwest Houston in the Cypress community. Thank you for this post. Women are not silenced: This model is not original and is old but it is appropriate for the megachurch and also for the persecuted church. It is a really strange thing when persecution comes from the pastor and elders. This is hardly a local issue in the Western church. Then, he was fired, according to the Daily Herald, a suburban Chicago newspaper. When a person is afraid of the reaction of their pastor or preacher it is time to move on. I am grateful for your courage. For a great many, it's time for the cult of personality of James MacDonald at Harvest chapter to close and the actual Bible to be opened again., Today on his edgy radio show, Muller said while he felt MacDonalds firing had to happen, he also had wanted nothing to do with any of it and now my part is done., I feel like God was using me in this, he said. Todays Christians are weak and show Satan how powerful he is when their own Church is faced with trouble. I have wondered if Harvest Bible Chapel (the organization) is worth the cost its taken to try and save it? James said it many times himself, chose to sin, I was a woman ruled by fear. There would be major issues involving James, followed by a carefully worded elder update or a carefully scripted announcement in church. The evangelical megachurch system, where multilayered ministries form around a single persona, leaves ample room for mismanagement and abuse of authority. When we left, after having posted a letter to the elders, not a single person called us to see how we were doing. The Elephant's . He lists grievances against Harvest including a false narrative in financial matters, a hostile takeover, shunning our family, the wrongful seizure of the ministry assets returned to him in the recent arbitration, and a vicious but unsuccessful strategy to end our ministry permanently.. James wrath is powerful. Is it perfect? I speak as one who has gone thru it, like you. So I called one of the elders in the video and got his side of the story. Im grateful that the sin of James and the elders/staff who allowed his tyranny to prosper is finally coming to light, so that the abuse can come to an end. Lina, thank you for your post, and thank you for your honesty and transparency. Thank you Lina, for opening the door of your life so that we can understand your experience. A book called the Subtle Power of Spiritual Abuse really helped me and my wife to recover from our experience of confronting the pastor and then leaving the church. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. Sign up to get our top five trending stories delivered every weekday! That the church went on and did not implode or hemorrhage members right then speaks to the prevalence of harmful ideas about authority and church leadership in evangelical circles. We too would pray and fast and seek the Lord as to what it was we could have done wrong as not one person from the church we had attended for years cared to find out where we were at. She is free to speak of her experience, nothing mean about that. These same elders that all of a sudden had the courage to fire James, ( which I think is a scam, this was orchestrated )are the same elders that approved that stupid video with those four scum bag elders excommunicating other elders! It may not be warm and fuzzy but speaking truth, especially when compelled by the Spirit, is never wrong. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. However, James is not the same person he was when he began that church and if he was to continue leading it, he would hurt countless others. And in 1 Corinthians 5, we are told to judge those within the Church). Transparency in finances Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? But, thats my opinion. Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. I too have had similar experiences in another church (The Chapel). Im not sure what is going on with me honestly. Thank you for your openness and sharing! Specifically, I do mean the Machiavellian rule by fear and division that we are seeing. But I hope the healing can begin, and I hope the abuse will stop.. Did you realize the pastors publicly said sorry last weekend? or is it the congregations fault for being weak and gullible? May God bless you for speaking truth and standing in the gap for those of us who dont have the circle of influence that you have. Our good is like the filthy rags of the leper! hi liz, not really looking for a vote here. However why now? Lina, My wife and I also left our church several years ago. Its hard. The small adult group was fun visited Moody church. God bless you. You can read that story right here. Now you can stop going to church altogether and free your mind from religious delusion. Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own. But, the truth is, I am ashamed to say, I should have left much sooner. Ive been where youre at, believing that its godly to keep trying to work it out, like family does. I am ashamed to say that after being a member at Harvest for 8 years, that was the first real conversation I had had with an elder about the state of affairs of the church at that time. Others wised up and slowly left. The message we received was they were sorry we felt that way and they were sure it was not his intention. We left Harvest for, among other reasons, the bad theology and overall silliness of the womens ministry. Nellie, be very, very careful! I too had been a part of HBC both as a staff member and member of the church and was there in total over 15 years. Thank you for sharing and speaking truth Lina. I hope it doesnt chase people away from their spiritual questaway from God., I take no joy in this announcement, said Muller. Her princes within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. In October, the church reported its chief information officer to police for suspected embezzlement. Quit pointing fingers, justifying why and stirring the pot. I think he forgot Whose ministry it was. At this point, Im not sure what else your thread can accomplish. No church is, because they are all filled with sinners like us. Humility, repentance, confession, forgiveness, reconciliation, mercy, love, compassion, healing, serious prayer and so much more for and by everyone should be given top priorities on our agendas soon if not now. Others had old wounds that had resurfaced and were hurting, having never felt closure to their stories, Abujamra, a Bible teacher and Moody Radio host, wrote on herblog. I dont take joy in this situation, but I rejoice in the truth. A year or so before leaving Harvest I had written a blog post about holiness in which I had referenced the growing fad of tattoos in our culture. In any case, we had a final meeting with the pastor and his assistant pastor (who was his son-in-law) to tell them that I was leaving their church. Its messy. And, at the same time, I know you to be a humble woman, easily impacted by negative, feedback. Lean should read it and reply in kind. Kenny Foreman, Founder of Cathedral of Faith, Passes Away at 88, Millennials Cant Buy MeaningLets Talk the Meaning of Life. Thank you for your courage. Superior to whom? Thank you, Lord, for Ephesians 6:13: Put faith in Gods justice and judgement upon all, now that sin has been exposed. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/, I would love to chat and learn more of what you are doing. Were they afraid? Thanks for finally being honest. Jesus is still the great healer and restorer. So are you saying that there is mind control of the underling staff and of the rank and file members going on at HBC? I pray your steps continue to be guided by our Lord! Often no explanation given, and the band plays on. You are being bold and telling the truth and just wanted to encourage you.I always loved your passion for Gods Word and pray Gods blessing as you stand strong Him! This problem is not isolated to Harvest. Ezekiel 22:27: Her princes [leaders] within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. For this, according to the Daily Herald, Secrest was fired. For a different church model, see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. Does It Matter Where Your Clothes Come From? For years, I kept believing the deception fed to the congregation by the elders. HARVEST EN ESPAOL is available in person on Sundays at 11:00 AM in Cornerstone. Nice to hear from you again! You did the right thing and I believe more will step up not to dishonor James, but noticing how much the church has changed. Your truth was not conceived in fasting or deep prayer and it sure isnt loving. Maybe you were called in front of the elders and asked to rewrite because thats horrendous theology and an awful way to be an ambassador for the Gospel. Others will be hurtit is a matter of time. The only hope is to totally exposed and excise it so that all will not be consumed. Welcome to Ohio. Otherwise If you share your email address I will email you. The Jews ebb and flow toward God followed a pattern. This is the mercy and grace of God. and manifest character, which have been revealed to speak not of the Holy Spirit of love, but rather have the love of money and power and the very reek of Hell about them! But often they require speaking up when injustice is done. James ended up sending me a copy of the new approved blog post, and out of fear, I complied. As questions about how Harvest Bible Fellowship money was used ballooned, the pressure mounted. Jesus may be truly calling people to stay, and rebuild Harvest Bible Chapel. I think God has not lifted the veil on a lot of eyes for some reason. Then came Roys story, MacDonalds decision to sue Roys and the bloggers behind The Elephants Debt (presumably rubber stamped by the current elder board), and the realization that discovery would mean everything coming out. 15:58 Therefore, my dear (sister) be steadfast,immovable,always excelling in the Lords work, because you know that your labor in the Lord is not in vain.. This post reminds me of something that happened at my former church. Well said Lina. Pray for those outside the faith who will never come to salvation because of how this appears to them, Muller wrote in his op-ed. I have seen this in many independent churches.THIs was done to me at a similar setting.The pastor One of things his way or the highway and there was no disagreement because he said it was leading to anarchy. Its so very difficult but This is Gods battle and I only need to be obedient not the fixer. Just because its a church building with leaders doesnt mean that Christ is leading it. As were you, we were grieving and had to pray for help finding that new church. I think that was beautifully stated. And still some came because their loved ones and spouses have abandoned the faith completely and now refuse to go to church and they long to understand why. The kindest thing one can do is to cut out and expose the cancer to death. Hearing these stories has helped me to realize I left just when I was supposed to. It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. You are a fraud and a liar! The whole ordeal was very strange. On January 7, 2019, Harvest elders announced they decided to drop the lawsuit against Julie Roys and four other individuals. Fear is dead life a remnant of Satan. I have nothing bad to say about Harvest. Church leadership is urging members to wait for the results of this reviewand the changes that will be implementedbefore making the decision to leave the church. They have gone the deep end of the pool. 34You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? God help those who cant see their need to be set free or judge those whove found it in Christ Jesus. Pray for James and Christs church that the LORD would accomplish what HE and HE alone is allowing. Two years ago, MacDonald moved away from overseeing the Harvest Bible Fellowship, a global network of churches, which eventually separated from Harvest completely to form the Great Commission Collective (GCC). blessings. The issue here is not TIMING or kicking someone when theyre down its about exposing ungodly, cowardly behavior and making people aware of its existence. I should have left that week, but I was too afraid to cause damage to Jesus and His kingdom and the women I was leading at that time. I am surprised by your editorial on Harvest. I feel foolish for allowing myself to be misled for so long. I struggle with the fear of man myself. As painful as it is, all that has been hidden must be revealed. The assistant pastor just tried to deflect and justify the pastors actions. Matthew 7:15 Jesus taught eternal love. I am sorry that you experienced this fear. Have you ever read this piece on how sick systems keep people controlled? Ken Morgan so you continue to deny the evidence for a creator by your superior intellect ? In a statement, the elders indicated they had accepted the apology and, in turn, agreed to leave [the church] alone and let the elder board bring about the necessary reforms.. maybe its time for all of us to wake up. Letting you know about this is one of the most loving things that Lina can do at this time so that others dont experience the pain that she went through. You are a blessing to many in need. Let us pray God will send His Spirit upon us and cure us of this. The fruit by which JM is to be judged rather is that of his own true m.o. While every major financial decision was supposed to be examined and approved by the churchs eldersand it was claimed that this was casethis was not actually happening. The sin that has taken place does not negate the awesome work that God has done, and it pains my heart to hear people act as if it does. Browse 60+ years of magazine archives and web exclusives. I havent seen the video but abuse of power at any level is sickening!! There are questions the leadership at every such megachurch should be asking. wounded by wolves in sheeps clothing. In a statement, the elders apologized to MacDonald and the congregation for the ways they had failed to live at peace with all men, as far is it depends on you (Rom. Muller had prematurely announced the pastors departure on Friday morning on his show on WLS 890 AM, going on to declare on Twitter, Conman Boss James Macdonald OUT of Harvest Church!. Witnesses say MacDonald was angry that the photo was still on display. It is a cry to the current leadership, to evangelicalism at large that there are some very serious problems that need to be dealt with. Different situations require different things. Be kind not hurtful. [], Lost me at the private jet shared with Bill Hibel. My response, Why? This woman sounds sincere. 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