http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AzOnnrAlE8, http://www.celebsvideoarchive.com/videos/Julienne%20Davis/index.html, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvNO0BfBecc. ", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXuHaaz5iU, > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. While the final movie was greeted with somewhat mixed reviews at the time, the appreciation for Eyes Wide Shut has only grown since its 1999 debut. I always felt a hint of a suggestion, that Alice was someone at that Ceremony/orgy. But that's not the half of it. Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come together. ", > I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you, > mean,> but the way you're saying it is silly. Even Sk was not perfect in that way-----or was hethere is the mystery. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? <<<<<<<<<
1925 . He also must have recognized the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a tinge of distinctive accent. it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." andpleading with her to take off her mask? at the >> ceremony/orgy.>, > Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice?>. S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. But maybe he's just practicing forhis Boddhisatva qualification tests.- you know, the 'enlightening thegreat unwashed masses' thing. You know perfectly well what was meant, Mr Glib Pedant but if youwant to Labour on it, as opposed to labor on it >> [ more stuff snipped ]>> > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? Eyes Wide Shut: What The Mask On The Pillow Means, Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best, The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story, Why Pirates of the Caribbean Producer Wants Johnny Depp Back, Chris Pratt Joins Luigi Actor To Troll Super Mario Bros. Movie Voice Critics. I think it is clear he was referring to the Somerton party. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. How? The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. It would be odd for him to say, "orgy," or ritual, > etc. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting We need some upstart director and SK devotee who can channel SK, to Make EWS part 2. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. Not only are they the REAL "anti-intellectuals," they were schizoid as hell and projected it onto the social mess, creating political gibberish, that has NO usefulness to anyone. Masks - both literal and figurative - are a major motif, and one of the most important sequences is when Bill infiltrates a masked sex party at a remote mansion, which is being held by members of high society. Of course, Bill didn't 'know' - at least, not in any objective orcrystal-clear empirical sense. Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let the> women there know that there was an interloper? "The ng will die when there are no longer any participants. What a joke to call them "philosophers." that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. He's super modern too, so his favorite movies include Jaws, Die Hard, The Thing, Ghostbusters and Batman. In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simplybecause of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member ofthe power elite? There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. >> If we speculate too far then we could say it was ALL a Charade.>>, >>>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a total> denial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it's> all just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions of> Bill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to saying> that everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all> 'in his mind'). "My Sex Slave video with Chinese subtitles"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjMIROKzH7s, ZKD 788-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B4N4vSijHTM, Im Treibhaus (Wesendonck Lieder) - Richard Wagner - Faynehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QOhxWdGuQd4, When he claps his hands together. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. And the redeemer's pubic hair is also trimmed the same. Being "all a Charade," doesn't mean it was all a dream. This website has Julienne Davis listed with photos--in all three scenes! It's a kind of dissassociation from reality, and an obsessive flight of ideas, into endless, words and meta-words. However, as we might imagine, there were many who believed his death was far from natural. > I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the > reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the > crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. If it was all a elaborate part of Bill's initiation into the order. Bill is ushered to a crowded room and unmasked by the master of ceremonies. WebEyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By NomadMessenger From $8.79 Wide Awake during 2020, by Haus of Butterfly Flat Mask By hausofbutterfly From $10.99 Eyes Wide Shut Flat Mask By ArjunVile From $10.99 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By Misschemical From $9.16 Colorful watercolor ink splash woman portrait Flat Mask By http://groups.google.com/group/alt.movies.kubrick/browse_frm/thread/16629c3d6011a459/705fb749859063b2?lnk=gst&q=treadmill#705fb749859063b2. Whereas atSomerton, Ziegler and the others only first become suspicious of Billas an interloper because of how he arrived there (in a taxi ratherthan a limousine). and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. As 1999 approached, what little was known about Eyes Wide Shut was almost indecently tantalising. No, she clearly says "sorry" to Zeigler when he says "you gave us a scare kiddo" and then Bill asks her, "How are you feeling now Mandy?" The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply > following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. Mandy was not the same woman. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very slight, single frame, mini-wink and subsequent eye movement was intended? > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. ">> "Victor what can I say. The film revolves around the tension between these twophenomena; it is about this tension): 1. desiring Amanda Curran to bethe Mandy from Ziegler's party would confirm his guilt - in hisprofessional capacity as a doctor attending a patient in need - aboutleaving her fate in the hands of Ziegler, serving power rather thanmorality or medical ethics, a guilt he now seeks to redress byimmediately going to visit Amanda/Mandy at the hospital to try andredeem himself; and 2. desiring Amanda to be the masked woman, a womanwho seemingly redeems Bill's Somerton-crashing guilt for him via theSomerton 'charade.'. Desire is always the desire of theOther our dreams constituring the realisation of desire. The film centers on a profoundly unsatisfied couple tied together not by pure love, but by social convenience and appearances. Orgy? So, they joined Snctm because they heard it was the best of the best in the He had no reason to think Zeigler was at Somerton, > till Zeigler tells him. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >together. I am still on the side of those who think SK left that scene of the reflection of the sound man holding the boom mike at his crotch, in the crome tub enclosure, on purpose, that the DVD edited out. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do you want me to say..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. A part-time hobby soon blossomed into a career when he discovered he really loved writing about movies, TV and video games; he even (arguably) had a little bit of talent for it. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. I actually had to look that up. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? He is not exactly > voicing his thoughts. Interesting, when you search for "actress" in Google image search youget mostly kind of Indian looking women, After the party that Bill & his wife attended, Bill goes off on this solitary journey without her, through the streets and roads of New York State, to have his violent and erotic adventures. The main point, was that that kind of mental approach to things, is actually the biggest impediment to focusing the mind. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. Let's get out of here.You're my witness. When I did this, at first it seems like a similar, but different face, but then seeing one frame of the bathroom scene from a certain angle, it jumped out at me that it was the same person, but I could be wrong. Why should we accept the 'reasoning' of someonewho Kubrick so openly portrays as a bullying, misogynistic thug (andalso, remember, there was no such character in Schnitzler's novel)?Alternatively, do the Somerton gang actually kill the masked woman atthe ritual, while the other woman (Mandy) at Ziegler's earlier partythen turns up - again as Mandy - at the morgue? I'm sorry, but this has to be said: I'm pretty sure I know what you mean, but the way you're saying it is silly. You can identify Pollacks eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, ME> You can identify Pollack's eyes and chin quite easily in the close ups.>. That is a possible explanation. 10 Stanley Kubricks Sudden Death. But I agree the way it is done is brilliant and it leaves all of us unsure of everything, opening up infinite possibilites as to what it all means. If it'ssupposed to be obvious, then why is it treated as such a great revelation,and why is a character who is presented as being reasonably intelligentso dense as not to see it? The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton peopleonly learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious ofhis manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coatpocket? <<<<<<<<, > In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, > subliminally. Which all suggests that Ziegler didn't actually know> about Bill's presence at Somerton until he removed his mask > <<<<<<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. This is still a mystery. How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all wearingmasks? and> pleading with her to take off her mask? WebThere are constant hints throughout the film of it being a story about one man's ego and insecurities. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. It's not like he is going to voice all his thoughts. Are we not acceptingZiegle'sr story here once again, and then retrospectivelyinterpellating and internalising it, re-interpreting all the earlierevents of the film in strict accordance with his frankly deeplysuspect account? Well at least you're ostensibly modest enough to acknowledge yourunfamiliarity with such a concept, but then you proceed to betray yourdumb, sniggering agenda by perpetuating your ignorance with adismissive, anti-intellectual fart: > My extra-fat dictionary yields the> following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,> ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots from> from its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". Let him go! Clearly, of course,the Somerton ritual is a mirror of Ziegler's party (with each event inmany ways serving as the 'truth' of the other): whether its Mandy atthe party or at the ritual or at both, the outcome is still the same:a corpse in a morgue. Isn't that - again - amazing; except that you're not even unfortunateenough to have a mindless head, given the large quantities ofbubblewrap - and nothing else - between your ears take care, MrKelpless. >What else could he call it? You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! WebI n the film "Eyes Wide Shut", who was the masked woman that redeemed Tom Cruise's character? He may literally have to go underground, or to the moon, etc. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. - Zieglerwasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so asto avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is justbetween us"). And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? And you bring up anachoronistic Deleuze and Guattari? Take another listen. ANSWER. 1. Put on some headphones and listen. ", "Victor what can I say. But it isn't clear at all, and nobody in the film refers to the eventsat Somerton as a 'party.' <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. (Video in comments) : r/Ghostbc Jocelyn Pook and Opening Title Music from Eyes Wide Shut (1999) | walkerhomeschoolblog. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" The first several times I saw the film I though what the op thought. And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. People and Masks: The Meaning of Eyes Wide Shut. WebEyes Wide Shut. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask woman and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. in fact if you look very closely, Mandy on the Slab, winks. The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns > Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Mon 14th Feb 2022 19.00 GMT. Same voice. One intriguing reading of the Eyes Wide Shutmask being on the pillow is that it's only in Bill's head as if he's exhausted by trying to hide his attempts at infidelity or true feelings from Alice, leading to an emotional breakdown. This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. -- Fred Brooks, I think I saw the "Rhizomatic" for sale on TV Late last night. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? because Bill didn't get to see him up close like the film > audience.>, > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Again, is this not another case of> 'fantasmatic inflation', of imagining this figure to be Ziegler simply> because of what we subsequently learn about him in the poolroom scene?> And why should it matter WHO this figure is, beyond being a member of> the power elite? Statanic mass? It was a > party nevertheless. > > Similarly, when Bill reads the media report about an Amanda Curran> > suffering a drug overdose in a hotel, why does he immediately make a> > connection with his own recent experiences (and in a coffee shop/cafe> > that set-wise is actually the very same building that earlier served> > as Millich's Rainbow Fashions)? SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. >> >>>>>> But which 'party' is Bill referring to? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > It's "clear," after studying the film after many viewing.>, > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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